Passenger Trains > Does anyone recognize this PV?

I took this video at CP Belmont - Philadelphia, PA on May 14th, 1994.  This was an eastbound CP/D&H train 458.  Does anyone recognize this PV on the end?  Thanks in advance.

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Perhaps a steel frame wood observation car with underbody stress rods and cleristory roof

Not much to go on except the #100. Seems to be a lot of cars were numbered 100.
Window line looks slightly modified from an original Pullman Standard 1916 type car.

Could be DLW #97, which later renumbered 100 became Long Island Railroad "Setauket" (later renamed "Jamaica?") ran a lot of special trains and excursion trips in the 60's, then eventually went into other ownership.

The Nevada Northern had a similar looking car #100 as well.  Same one?

No current Amtrak certification 800 number showing on the car sides, but it easily could have had a prior 800 number back before the HEP and retention toilet requirements.
I do not find any passenger car 100 on the Nevada Northern's current equipment roster.  So if it is the same car, it obviously was sold again.

Hopefully somebody will figure it all out.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/16 17:10 by NewRiverGeorge.

MEKoch Wrote:
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> Perhaps a steel frame wood observation car with
> underbody stress rods and cleristory roof

I was hoping someone would recognize the car and it's history and current wherabouts.

At :35 in the video, you can see what looks to be a washed out or faded emblem painted just in front of the second window.  Anyone recognize it?

Ed

This a wooden bodied car likely built during the late 1890's or early 1900's that has been refurbished with a Steel Underframe and Vestibule (SUV) and had steel sheet applied over the wood siding to extend its operating life. Pullman made this modification to a great number of cars that were able to operate in Private Car service. Amtrak outlawed them.

​Pullman did the rebuild in their shops on a great many cars from that period.

​It is somewhat similar to a former CB&Q business car that Bob Snow renamed Blackhawk, to enhace the story that it had belonged to Buffalo Bill (it didn't). It was dressed up and displayed at Church Street Station in Orlando, then at Main Street Station Casino in Las Vegas.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/16 19:52 by px320.

It looks like a special freight move by CP. you can get away with things in a special move that would never fly on Amtrak.

Dave

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Auburn_Ed Wrote:
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> At :35 in the video, you can see what looks to be
> a washed out or faded emblem painted just in front
> of the second window.  Anyone recognize it?
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> Ed

To me it looks more like shallow dents.

I am surprised they even interchanged it.

<Could be DLW #97, which later renumbered 100 became Long Island Railroad "Setauket" (later renamed "Jamaica?") ran a lot of special trains and excursion trips in the 60's, then eventually went into other ownership. >

No, that car was all steel and does not look like that.
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/heavyweight_setauket.html
 

Freight railroads do not like to be bothered with moves like this, so I suspect the railroad itself had a vested interest in some sort.
Either that, or somebody paid a huge fee to get it moved.

The flatcars were there asidler cars for that transformer it appears.  So maybe the owner tagged along on this special move and got a better deal?

As long as it has more modern roller bearing trucks, working brakes, and an in-date COT&S, freight moves are almost always "theoretically" possible. 

The switching fees on both ends can often be confiscatory, that is it costs more to move than the car is worth. 

And then there is the paperwork and the logistics.  Often the old cars are landlocked, with spurs truncated and switches taken out, spiked, or lines embargoed.

For most of out there in the real world,you buy something like this and you better be prepared to truck it to the new destination.  



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/22/16 11:47 by NewRiverGeorge.